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		<title>By: ox</title>
		<link>http://oxgoad.ca/2008/06/26/preachers-of-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charles

I am glad you wrote back. I was thinking that I was too short in my reply to your first post.

One thing that we have not communicated well in the past is that the evangelicals we disagree with are not enemies, we just disagree on the basis of philosophy of ministry primarily. That means I can&#039;t work with them, and in some cases that means I am quite critical of their practices and views.

But we should always express our criticism in a godly manner. That is a balance hard to strike.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charles</p>
<p>I am glad you wrote back. I was thinking that I was too short in my reply to your first post.</p>
<p>One thing that we have not communicated well in the past is that the evangelicals we disagree with are not enemies, we just disagree on the basis of philosophy of ministry primarily. That means I can&#8217;t work with them, and in some cases that means I am quite critical of their practices and views.</p>
<p>But we should always express our criticism in a godly manner. That is a balance hard to strike.</p>
<p>Maranatha!<br />
Don Johnson<br />
Jer 33.3</p>
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		<title>By: Charles E. Whisnant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles E. Whisnant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don

Thanks, and you are correct, I am amazed how few people and pastors outside our box we know.  I was taught not to get out side that box. Nevertheless I have found interesting the views of others, who may not necessarity be Baptist of the right sort.  The web certainly has open the door to other views in the Christian world.  

I have heard the views you have for over sixty years, now. Which means they must be good.  

Thanks for the references to others in the fundamentalist camp that I have not heard.

Charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don</p>
<p>Thanks, and you are correct, I am amazed how few people and pastors outside our box we know.  I was taught not to get out side that box. Nevertheless I have found interesting the views of others, who may not necessarity be Baptist of the right sort.  The web certainly has open the door to other views in the Christian world.  </p>
<p>I have heard the views you have for over sixty years, now. Which means they must be good.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the references to others in the fundamentalist camp that I have not heard.</p>
<p>Charles</p>
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		<title>By: ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, in this post and the preceding one, I have already mentioned two current fundamentalists whose ministries are worthy of emulation, IN MY OPINION.

The first is Mark Minnick, who is today speaking at a conference I am attending in Calgary, AB. Dr. Minnick graciously spent a half hour with me this afternoon discussing a range of pastoral issues. He also spent two hours with the group of us discussing the current issues between conservative evangelicalism and fundamentalism. All in all an enlightening afternoon.

I have also mentioned Chuck Phelps, the new president of Maranatha Baptist Bible College. Much of his ministry at Trinity Baptist in Concord New Hampshire is available online.

There are a number of other fine fundamentalist preachers whose ministries are faithful, successful, and whose sermons are likewise available on the internet fairly reasonably. You are much behind the times if you think that is not so.

As for Piper, I am opposed to making him an object of study and admiration because of a number of serious errors he has made and continues to make. If you read through my blog, you will see several points where I take issue with things he has done and said recently. There is a good deal more, but I won&#039;t rehash it here.

My point is that there are plenty of fundamentalist pastors whom young men can emulate. If they wish to be truly fundamentalist ministers, they would do well to make such men the object of their attention rather than evangelical pastors like Piper.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, in this post and the preceding one, I have already mentioned two current fundamentalists whose ministries are worthy of emulation, IN MY OPINION.</p>
<p>The first is Mark Minnick, who is today speaking at a conference I am attending in Calgary, AB. Dr. Minnick graciously spent a half hour with me this afternoon discussing a range of pastoral issues. He also spent two hours with the group of us discussing the current issues between conservative evangelicalism and fundamentalism. All in all an enlightening afternoon.</p>
<p>I have also mentioned Chuck Phelps, the new president of Maranatha Baptist Bible College. Much of his ministry at Trinity Baptist in Concord New Hampshire is available online.</p>
<p>There are a number of other fine fundamentalist preachers whose ministries are faithful, successful, and whose sermons are likewise available on the internet fairly reasonably. You are much behind the times if you think that is not so.</p>
<p>As for Piper, I am opposed to making him an object of study and admiration because of a number of serious errors he has made and continues to make. If you read through my blog, you will see several points where I take issue with things he has done and said recently. There is a good deal more, but I won&#8217;t rehash it here.</p>
<p>My point is that there are plenty of fundamentalist pastors whom young men can emulate. If they wish to be truly fundamentalist ministers, they would do well to make such men the object of their attention rather than evangelical pastors like Piper.</p>
<p>Maranatha!<br />
Don Johnson<br />
Jer 33.3</p>
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		<title>By: Charles E. Whisnant</title>
		<link>http://oxgoad.ca/2008/06/26/preachers-of-influence/comment-page-1/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles E. Whisnant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Wouldn’t it be much better for young fundamentalists to make the preaching ministry of some prominent fundamentalist pastor the model of their own ministry and object of their attention and admiration?&#039;

I know there must be twenty branches of fundamentalism, Jones and Norris, Rice or Hyles, Malone and Robinson.  But these men have died.  Who has taken their place today?

Please who are those today that would be good men to model after in the human sense?  

When you question John Piper, is it because he is not a fundamentalist?  

What fundamentalist have done what those old men of the past have done?  

Charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Wouldn’t it be much better for young fundamentalists to make the preaching ministry of some prominent fundamentalist pastor the model of their own ministry and object of their attention and admiration?&#8217;</p>
<p>I know there must be twenty branches of fundamentalism, Jones and Norris, Rice or Hyles, Malone and Robinson.  But these men have died.  Who has taken their place today?</p>
<p>Please who are those today that would be good men to model after in the human sense?  </p>
<p>When you question John Piper, is it because he is not a fundamentalist?  </p>
<p>What fundamentalist have done what those old men of the past have done?  </p>
<p>Charles</p>
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